Abstract
<jats:p>In this interview Abigail Wincott asks Julie Shapiro to reflect on the Audio Flux workshop she led at the Salt Institute for Documentary Studies in March 2026 and on her approach to audio production pedagogy. Julie expresses the teaching and learning philosophy of Audio Flux and the ways she attempts to 'ride the line' between clear instruction that saves time and responds to learners' wish to learn from experts, and 'cheerleading', giving permission to experiment freely and refraining from saying how things should be done. Teaching philosophies in audio production draw on and feed into cultures of experimentation, diversity and normativity in the creative industries. Though the workshop is based in the US, Julie seeks to deliberately distance her workshops from the dominant US storytelling style and argues that the three-minute format of Audio Flux opens up possibilities of adventurous listening as well as experimental making. The audio of the conversation is also available.</jats:p>